Whille Gamecube and Xbox’s true power has still not been completely harnessed yet (lets hope the upcoming Farcry on Xbox would do well) PC’s generally upgrade in a faster pace, where as Consoles are they were what it was 4 years ago, for example the ps2 we have now has a much superior class of games according to their graphics part when one of the first launch games released on the ps2 look like ps1 games today to us. Its all about harnessing the power out successfuly in a period.
That’s true, but i really don’t think a 6800ultra can outperform what we see of some 360 today, on top of that 360 uses really high resolution, ps3 is even powerful.
This is how i see it -
Sports - Consoles. WWE, Football (winning eleven) are all more on consoles while some ports make it to the PC
Race - Consoles. like i said before - NFSU2 is one the best racer PC has got today, while on consoles games like Mindnight club 3 and Burnout have outperformed NfsU2 far behind.
MMORPG - fact is they can’t be played on consoles. No mouse support. PC takes the cake here
Beat-Em-Ups - Consoles. Street Fighter - Tekken - Mortal Kombat - DBZ Budokai’s - Urban Reign, Soul Calibur… need i say more ?
Survival Horror - Consoles again. Clock Tower, Resident Evil, Haunting Ground, Fatal Frame, Siren…PC has got only Silent Hill and some old titles…which too are on consoles as well.
FPS - what can i say, neutral. Many FPS’s on PC, are now going to the consoles. One of the only good exclusives PC has is counter and Halflife, but Doom3 and Farcry have gone to the consoles as well
RPG - Consoles. No arguments.
RTS - AOEII, AoE:M, RON, Warcraft, Ao3, Civilization, Rome Total war…Pc does them best.
that’s the way it is now. I see consoles better but then that’s just my opinion. Maybe its the fact because i can take it anywhere anytime, or perhaps the wide range of beat-em-ups available (A lot of my friends spend whole day on my ps2 challenging each other in games like games like Raw vs SM! and DBZ Budokai 3)
Consoles are consoles. they are good at what they do.
I am not gona read the entire 1st page as posts there are too big ( Guys guys please try to keep posts small so someone can even thing about reading it )
I personally never adjusted to consoles. FPS games suck on consoles. My xbox is sitting here all stripped open and playing DVD and xvid movies. Thats it. I got soo bored of it one day i opene it all up and never bothered to even close it. its used to play DVDs, and thats all it do.
Multiplayer gaming on consoles suck. In india its non exsistant. And yes i do play lots of online games. Thats where xbox lost out for me.
And graphics wise its not a competition at all. Seriously i have played many so call suppose to be good games on xbox but i never likes its feeling except some racing games.
And other factor for me is a good mouse and keyboard type controlling system with game controls optimised for the same.
re4 looks almost as good as farcry? Are you playing farcry on a gf2mx at 640x480? That’s just blind fanboism.
Let’s see re4 render pretty outdoor scenes for starters without the gamecube exploding into tiny little bits.
It’s true that consoles give a glimpse of what lies in the near future, but at what cost? Being stuck at the same specs for the next 5 years? No thanks.
ps2 aka your ‘supercomputer’ was the biggest farce is gaming history right next to daikatana. Sony lied and the masses believed.
Or were you talking about it’s ‘mythical second cpu’ that never got used till date? (no gt4 doesn’t use it, forget the rumours).
hl2 sales graphs are flawed, they don’t include the steam transactions.
Even if hl2 had sold just one copy worldwide, does that still change the fact that hl2 was blockbuster material while god of war was just yet another timepass 3rd person hack&slash platformer? (a very good one at that I must agree, but it’s no half-life 2).
If you had bothered to do any homework, you would see even doom3 outsold hl2.
People just bought it on for the name ‘doom’, 10 years of hype can do wonders and nobody can tell you that better than sony.
Your game sales logic is so bogus, have you played deus ex? It’s the most underrated game of all time, it probably didn’t even sell half a million copies.
But gameplay and story wise, no console or pc game can touch it (not even ff7).
Consoles are more popular because not everyone wants to build a good gaming rig. They just buy consoles instead contributing to your sales charts.
Mobile games sell the most, are they the best games in the world?
A whole lot of people loved ‘everybody loves raymond’ - best sitcom evaar?
cs is the most played game online even though bf1942, bf2, etc. have been out for quite a while now. Does that make cs the best game to play online?
cs is played for 2 reasons alone, the bigger one being it’s easy to pickup, just like consoles and second being the professional tourneys.
Those who play in pro tourneys really take the game seriously, while those who populate the public servers are akin to console fanboys and don’t think anyone here needs a check on the average iq of a cs pubber.
btw since you really want to use your game sales trump, I give you… The Sims 2 (wtfpwnt?)
That game is pure crap, the crappiest girly pos ever made and it makes it to the list of top10 best-selling games every single time.
But according to your logic, it must be a masterpiece.
Yeah combined sales of 4 platforms beating the pc alone by exactly 4 times.
Not to mention the gba sp out of the 4 outsold the other 3 combined.
Sure proves a lot…
Game character popularity, who can kick who’s ass? Ask me if I care…
How does this help decide which is the better platform? It doesn’t, trademark bogus logic as usual.
So basically you agree with me, exclusive releasesare why consoles survive the market. If burnout3 was ported over to the pc, I would like to see how many still chose to play the 640x480 ps2 ‘supercomputar’ version.
You must be knowing know that final fantasy 7 does exist for the pc and I must say it’s the best ff and one of the best games ever made. Consoles get sexy games, that’s the truth.
What you might not know is ff7 also enjoys a huge modding community on the pc. Complete with hi-res skins, replacement hi-poly models for cloud and others and support for higher resolutions.
Can you play ff7 at 1600x1200 4xfsaa on your ps2?
That’s my point, if only sony wasn’t so scared of some competition and stopped buying out developers, we would get to play all the good consoles games on a pc with 10 times better graphics.
uhh yeah… winning the most best character polls, quite an achievement.
But has any console game ever become so popular that it spawned an entire television network focussing on it?
Not gaming in general as there are many stations doing that, I am talking about covering just one game! That’s starcraft for you.
Did you know they actually have a ‘national starcraft day’ in singapore, south korea and several other asian nations.
And I am not even gonna mention the cs pro-gaming scene.
Compare that to winning the most public polls, makin’ bacon?
rotflol farcry instints is so sh1tty compared to farcry pc. It’s getting bashed everywhere.
You really need to play farcry in all it’s glory if you think an xbox can manage anything even remotely close.
I don’t recall whether anyone even cared doom3 got ported over to the xbox (almost an year later heh). And the graphics sucked. Only good thing was the co-op play for which there’s already was a mod for the pc.
So you are bacially saying that your current ‘immortal’ supercomputer of a ps2 will be able to play ps3 games without actually buying a ps3?
You do realise that pc’s already have a huge games library which can be played anytime, don’t you? Existing games aren’t magically disabled with every new wave of next-gen titles.
And in most cases even the newer titles can be run on existing h/w just by lowering details, lets see your consoles do that, no backward compatibility on a ps3 correct? boohoo.
While I can play all nes, genesis, snes, n64, ps1 and dreamcast out there on my pc. And the ps2 emu pcsx2 is alreayd running most games at almost perfect visual quality. Performance is low but they weren’t focussing on the performance till now, just getting the games to render properly.
Give it an year and I will be playing ps2 games on my pc as well.
Yeah I know it’s a lame point considering it’s so late, but the very fact that it can be done stamps the pc’s superiority.
btw you’re stupid if you think driver/os updates, random bsos’s are enough to undermine the advantage of having permanently installed games with one-click access to them all.
And what’s the damn use hammering on the same upgrade costs time after time, it’s not as if sony is giving you a $500 ps3 for free.
It would actually mean something if the consoles alongwith being cheap could do my homework, check my mail, download porn, maintain my accounts, book airline tickets, store my photo albums.
Basically…
[sidious]Unlimited Power![/sidious]
Random bsod’s are nothing next to the imminent lens failures ps2’s suffer from which takes atleast 3-4k to fix compared to a simple reboot in the case of a pc.
That’s the only thing I have said actually, and you responded by further saying the same things (better games, better sales, bla bla).
When infact you should have spent all that time trying to prove how consoles could still stand up to the might of a pc if they had the same game library available between them.
Sony is scared wet of competition, simple.
Kid… you don’t know the quality pc sim racers out there. Believe me you don’t wanna go there.
Simracing is the only niche market consoles haven’t managed to capture even after one exclusive contract after another.
Wanna know why? Consoles simply don’t have enough juice to render graphics at 640x480 and physics good enough to please a real racing fan. That doesn’t include your typical 13yo burnout3 ‘rice-up-my-ride dude’ champ.
Even after the ps3 and x360 come out, consoles will still be lacking the moddability required to make pc racers take a look.
When sony signed an exclusive deal with fia gaining exclusice rights to the f1 franchise till 2007, pc gamers let loose a sigh.
Not for long though, as I said consoles can’t compete with pc’s with the same games and f12003/04 were trashed like anything.
pc fans simply got back to their old titles released before 2002, modded them and are still playing them religiously.
You thought NFSU was the holy grail of racing titles on the pc?
NFSU is mainstream crap, in other words coaster material only good for appearing in best-seller charts and announcing how it’s the best racer ever built.
Go play grand prix legends, grand prix 4, gtr, gt legends, rfactor, live for speed, live for speed s2, racer, netkar, f1c 99-02, nascar racing 2003 season, richard burns rally, nascar simracing, then tell me if any console has even a single title worthy of sharing the same shelf space as those gems.
When you drive a real man’s machine in nr2003 , you get individually modelled cockpits, pace laps, real world physics, online racing leagues, mods BETTER than any retail racing title for the ps2 (better believe it, almost every pc racing sim mod out there makes counter-strike, natural selection or day of defeat look like a 15 minute hack job).
Google up grand prix legends and you will see a severely pixellated game running in 320x240 with quake1 level graphics.
Then after I get back on my home pc, allow me to show you screenshots of what it looks like completely modded and you will witness how bad a pc racing game released in 1998 whoops the gt4 released in 2005.
In gtr and gt legends, simbin did such a detailed job with the physics, your ps2’s emotion engine will have a hard time calculating just the physics leaving nothing for the display itself.
Even the effect of the fuel splashing about in the empty tank on your cars handling is taken into account.
So seriously think before you compare kiddy racing games on the ps2 with real racing sims.
I always have a good laugh when they try to promote the gt series as the ‘ultimate racing simulator’, sure in an alternate reality where 800bhp beasts handle like they got velcro for wheels.
gt3/4 boast over 700 cars, and no individual cockpits? What does that leave, only different meshes specialy since all of them handle pretty much the same? Isn’t this supposed to be the ‘ultimate racing simulator’?
I have almost every season from the 1950s to 2004 for grand prix 4, f1c & nr2003, let’s see you add extra content to gt4.
Burnout 3 isn’t even worthy, timepass stuff.
Although it’s the best arcade game in recent years, better than gt4 (yea gt4’s arcade only with all the stuff that makes arcade racers fun removed, don’t believe everything on the box).
Super Computer indeed…
So don’t bother replying unless you actually have something to say about how consoles would be as good as pc’s with the exact same games.
Because I already agreed to the fact the consoles have better games in my very first post in this thread.
What’s sad is consoles are taking the easy way out with exclusive releases and killing pc gaming inspite of it being the superior platform consoles couldn’t ever dream of being, they are just too castrated and limited in their abilities.
Also Params I think you should know that Nvidia themselves have claimed that by the time PS3 is released PC gfx would be superior.
@Sawmill just because a game is realistic does not necessarily mean its fun to play. Its very judgemental to say that arcade games which are fun to play, are kiddy crap. At the end of the day I want a game which I enjoy and if millions of ppl enjoy playing NFSU then be it. Personally I dont like the learning curve of a SIM racer, nor is it enjoyable with a keyboad.
But yes I agree deus Ex is one o the best games I have played, way ahead of its time.
Never meant that in the first place, burnout3 and nfs4/5 are fantastic.
But you got to admit nfsu is the worst nfs ever and believing it to be the premiere racing experience a pc can provide is just being ignorant.
Good arcade racers on the pc are many - nfs4/5, motogp2/3, world racing 1/2, flatout, trackmania, juiced, cmr series, xpand rally, rallisport challenge, midnight club 2 (most are console ports that play out so much better on a pc, which is the main thing I’ve been trying to put across).
And I didn’t mean to sound like a leet simmer either since I suck at them. I can’t handle them without TC, the lack of a proper steering wheel and pedals doesn’t help either.
But don’t deprive yourself of the sheer adrenaline rush aero-drifting in nr2003 is capable of simply because the learning curve intimidates you, there are perfectly good arcade modes in all race sims, which are a perfect blend of enjoyable + realistic physics - Not tough enough to be frustrating, not easy enough to be boring.
And all of them drive good enough with a keyboard, you can even simulate analog input varying from 0 to 100 (max lock).
They aren’t that tough at max realism either, just keep TC on. You get the hang of it in a few laps, and then you’re spoilt for life. You will not want to touch any other racing title once you’ve experienced racing with 43 cars lapping bumper to bumper.
Always left on an oval only looks boring, it’s a completely different experience from the driver seat constantly trying to get in the better drift, cut-throat overtaking maneuvers and the ever elusive perfect pitstop.
I didn’t read through the whole argum,ent, so forgive me if I am stating something that has already been stated before…
But then let me give you the very simple reason why Consoles are better:
I picked up a PS2 2 years ago for 10K…I bought it home, plugged it into the TV, slouched into my beanbad and played to my heart’s content…And I still do the same on weekends…
I picked up a Geforce 6800 2 months ago…I plugged it tino my PC…no-go…some stupi DX9 error…few days of dedicated troubleshooting resolved the issue…so I now fire up Far cry…I see lots of stuttering happening at high detail…So now I go out and pick up an additional 512 MB ram…
Now the game plays smooth…but then I need more, so I leave the game and download some tweaked drivers from Guru3d and try them to see if the fps improves…and now I keep waiting for the next iteration drivers to come out
End result: 2 months ince I bought the card, and I haven’t really played my games for more than a few hours
Actually this whole cycle was so painful taht this weekend got spend playing Tekken 5 and Burnout 3 on the PS2
The point I am trying to make is that Games are meant to be enjoyed…Good graphics and eye candy are just a way to make the whole experience more pleasurable…In the end, it is the overall experience which matters…which is why so many people still play Mario on the age-old NES systems in spite of having decent PC rigs
That fact that you’ve never even played Re4 or read its reviews voids this argument. Re4 is the best looking game on GC, and almost on par with the pretty graphics of Farcry if not better.
truth hurts, but sometimes you’ve gotta learn to accept it.
Shows your hatred for consoles in there. Yes, they are stuck in the same specs - but their real power is only harnessed by time with skilled developers.
simple, compare the SSX, the luanch genious of Ps2, with SSX3 now - se the wide difference, they both run on the same specs.
And i don’t ha ve a ****ing clue what you’re talking about - 2nd cpu ? wtf ?
GoW was just another hack and slash for you. It beat Re4 in ratings and Re4 is much better than Half-Life 2, just ask any casual gamer out there.
In fact, in the Spike Tv’s official VGA’s and several charts available on the net, HF2 bagged the best PC game of the year award, yet, it was still behind GTA Sa and Re4 when it came to ‘The Best games of the year’
That’s the truth, just check any ratings like those.
lol. sales do matter a lot. If a videogame sells, it means its LIKED by people who bought it, and that mean ='s a good game.
Nothing compares to FF7.
let me fix that for you -
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Mobile games are not in the mainstream like consoles and PC’s, same goes for handhelds, they’re all sidekicks. That was ridiculous, lol, any j2me programmer sitting in his garage can make a top selling mobile game.
CS is awesome. Very addicting like those RTS games.
the fact that YOU don’t like the game doesn’t change anything. People out there like you and me, have bought Sim2 in numbers for a reason.
In fact my bro is very addicted to it with its wide range of mods available.
But it got to me soon as it was no more of than some barbie doll house game to me.
Combined sales of what ? GTA SA ps2 port beat HF2 by miles, huge miles.
You know the moral of the story here ? - GRAPHICS AREN’T EVERYTHING.
That’s why GTA SA ps2 port is still on top 10 games today, at gamespot, and overtaking FEAR soon.
Not true, GTA SA sold more than its PC port, NGSU2 on PC didn’t sell wonders more than its Ps2 port, i don’t know what you’re talking about, and i’m goosebumps thinking about how the controls for Burnout would be on a…keyboard..that would suck!
When talking about mods, ps2 and xbox are getting there. Hot coffe was available for ps2 port as well. Many new costumes and arena are available for download in ps2 onlie sources, Xbox with its Hard drive is reaching the modding scene much faster.
That’s the good side of the PC, the bad side is grpahics don’t matter much.
GTA SA having sick graphics when compared with Half-Life 2 beat it by wonders.
Mortal Kombat - 3 movies - 1 hit, 1 flop, 1 in prod. 2 different TV serials with their own set of epidosodes.
Resident Evil - 3 movies - 2 hits, 1 in prod. Beat Tomb Raider Lara Croft for the most successful video game movie in Hollywood.
And your point is ?
And Starcraft was an excellent game, there’s no arguin that, its RTS, not a genre for consoles, so yeah cheers.
Doesn’t matter if Farcry is better looking on PC or not, the develpers know that batter than you or me. Its the fact that more and more PC exclusives are finding new homes on the consoles..and hardly any PC exclusive is going to PC’s…belive me - its only a matter of time before HF-2 go’s on 360 and Counter strike strikes on PC and go’s off to ps3…only a matter of time.
What crack you’re on ? tell me please because i’d like to stay away from that.
First out of nowehre you claim Re4 is pre-rendered, and then this ? the last time i checked sp3 was still backward compatible…you need a break, run off and play counter strike or something…take a break and come back with straight facts.
You cannot yet play Dreamcast and n64 properly on PC. n64 has a big problem with most of its games and you have to choose the right plugins, and you know that, seen you asking help in NGEMU forums…and Chanka has not done any updates on its Chankast since over a year, that’s DC’s emu is only halfway through, doesn’t run half of the games and is slow.
And lolmao at you playing ps2 on your PC with lots of EMU bugs biting you off when we’d be surrounded in ps3-360’s next gen aura. happy old-skool gaming then, have fun.
It doesn’t matter. Very powerful Pc’s emulating the much weaker ps2 - i don’t see any point in this - and that also with a lot of bugs.
Yeah i like my game upgrade free, you don’t have to keep updating drivers every week again and again, you don’t have to install/uninstall to keep a check on disk space, you don’t have to keep updating your game with patches so can get in online…that all non-existant on consoles. Just pop in and forget about it!
And i wonder how the people that live with you cope up with you..i eman you must be asking questions like " Why don’t this grinder heat my sandwhich " and someone has to explain to you " Son, that’s a grinder, the oven’s do that, grinders wren’t made for geating food up "
judging from your paragraphs above, consoles were meant for gaming…add in a little kick and movies. that’s all. Don’t tell me Sony advertised checking e-mail on the ps2 and btw -
You could do that all with the 10 year old dreamcast (you=wtfpwned)
Ps2’s only do that when mishandled and or mod chipped. And Gameuce is totally the opposite - hardly any lens-hardware fault has ever been found with this. Still chances of finding a corrput ps2 lens is 1 out out every 12586332584 playable, incompability errors you get in the PC while gaming.
I’ll only answer that wehn PC’s run NFSu2 in the same beautiful manner as the ps2 does in 640x840 reso (after picking your fav 20k videocard), the fact that in 640x480 you’re going to get all pixilated graphics, and while on the ps2 on the same reso you gaming like on 1024x768.
my friend owns 9600xt, he games NFSu2 at near high, around 1024x768. He was shocked at the beauty and frame rate of it on the ps2.
Sure cards like 6800 ultra can manage better, but happens when you try to run it on 840 or 640 reso’s ? Consoles actually do win here. If consoles could handle 1025x768 - they would’ve kicked Doom3 and Farcry on high on 6800ultra ASS. If they could manage that on 640, nobody knows the limit it went upto 1024.
When somebody makes a good business deal its not called being scared, its called a GOOD BUSINESS DECISION! this is not some wrestling match. This is business, the one who’s more cunning, more strategic, wins. Consoles, are more strategic here, they win. And PC is left with nothing better graphics in its place.
I’ve tried many Sim racers (most of them were even FREE) and they all paled in comparison and reality physics when compared with Gran Turismo 3 and 4, and GT4’s graphics kick them back to their programmers.
Talk about mods, they’re almost here for todays consoles as well, they’ll be just as widespread as with PC’s next gen.
That’s impressive. But if they’re so phyiscally real, why aren’t they mainstream ? Why does NFSu2 sell more than grand Prix, heck i can bet all my money that 90% of the people here didn’t even know about that game until you said it.
We’re talking mainstream - While Gt3 and 4 were impressive with both physics and graphics in the mainstream gaming, those are just another one of those Free sims, i dn’t get it, why aren’t they listed everywehere if they’re that good ? There has to be reason.
only when you tell me a PC that can handle a job in 640x480 as good as the consoles do.
That’s why PC lagged in far behind even after being so superiror, owning only 17% of the total market, earning only 1.1 billion - Seriously paled in front of these ‘limited abilities’ consoles - and you can’t blame all that on just exclusive deals.
Many ps2 ports go to PC, they sell even more on the ps2, like GTA SA and NFSU2 to name a couple. Exclsuive deal are only consoles reply to the high end graphics of PC - because gameplay constitutes 75% of the fun, grpahics come in AFTER, and consoles do that nicely.
Your posts are soo big i am not even bothering to read em at this point.
You like consoles. fine. saumilsingh like PC gaming better. So whats wrong in that. Actiuallu i am with him on that. I found xbox exciting for 3-4 months. Soon i found better looking games on PC which did offer very good gameplay. I could afford to invest in PC hardware. thats my passion. So i upgraded pc and ditched console. Thats how i feel. And noone can tell me otherwise. There is a lot that PC games offer.
And its not that all xbox or PS2 games offer good gameplay. i have played preety lame games on both the consoles.
You really dont have to defend yourself with these long posts. you find consoles better, fine. I and saumil find it otherwise. As simple as that. End of story.
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